Interviews

Began her theatregoing career in 1945, early experiences in Sheffield, musical theatre in London 1956, premiere of Separate Tables

conducted by
Kate Dorney 07/08/04

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KD: I wonder if you could tell me something about why you first started going to the theatre and where you went?

EE. I first started going to the theatre, when I was choosing to go to the things [myself], in 1945, which was when I’d left school and was out at work. And I used to go to the Lyceum Theatre in Sheffield and the resident company for part of the year was Harry Hanson’s Court Players. And they did 3 act plays and the actors that I can remember from there: Margaret Diamond, Raymond Jacquerello and Anne Lyon. And some of the plays I saw: Mary Rose, by JM Barrie, also his Dear Brutus. And then they had touring companies and one of these [plays] was called Off the Record and starred Hubert Gregg and Bill Gates. Hubert Gregg was an actor and songwriter, and Bill Gates, he was a very popular BBC radio presenter…

KD: So he was one of the reasons that you went?

EE: Yes if I liked the people in things, and I would read the reviews and go.

KD: And where did you read the reviews? In the local paper or?

EE. Yes. I used to read the local paper, and I used to read any paper that had anything in it about the theatre. So I had quite a good knowledge of what was on in London and what was touring

KD: So what would you [read]? Can you remember any titles? Did you read The Stage, for example, or?

EE: I think, I’m not sure, I can remember reading, I think it was the Daily Telegraph and there was a theatre writer called WA Darlington and I used to read him, so I got a lot of information from that. And if there were people in it that I knew, at that stage we didn’t have television so it was people from the radio that you liked to go and see. SO that was how I came to see Off the Record which was a good comedy. I also went to see Bell, Book and Candle, I think that was by John van Druten and that was a witchcraft thing that I knew about.

KD: And it had been on in London and transferred?

EE: I think it had, and it was eventually made into a film. Eventually it was. And then another one I saw at the Lyceum was Lady Frederick by Somerset Maugham and that had Coral Browne in it, and I always loved to see the big names so I was aware of Coral Browne

KD. So she was already famous?

EE: Oh yes, because she’s been dead quite a while and she was quite a good age when she died. That was about an ageing actress with a man younger than her and she didn’t think it could be right and she let him see her after the play she was in taking all her make up off and getting down to what she really looked like. So it was… and then a very popular show that toured all the time, The Desert Song with John Hanson, he was always known as the Red Shadow. And then I went to, all of those were at the Lyceum, but then we had the Empire, a Moss Empire in Sheffield which doesn’t exist now.

KD: Where was that?

EE: Well I think it’s Charles St in Sheffield it was, but I was out of Sheffield for a long time and when you come back, things have changed.

KD: So it went while you were gone?

EE: Yes, but that was late 60s and its replaced with shops now, but there, the Empire had a different kind of thing. They had variety shows with assorted acts, like performing dogs and a woman who used to tear up telephone directories and things like that. And then they had somebody well known, and it would be, like a comedian from the radio. Al Read?? Was very popular, he used to read a newspaper and make comments about little snippets of news in a funny way. But what we went, I went with my parents to see Al Read because we loved him on the radio. They’d be the main attraction, but often people would leave the show before the last act to get their bus or tram home. And so when we went to see Al Read he came and did his bit and the last act, which is normally the top of the bill, it was a man playing with a whip doing shapes, I thought it was quite funny. And I also saw, this was someone from radio, the late Beryl Reid, who started out as a comedian on radio playing a character, a naughty schoolgirl called Marlene and another character whose name began with S and when she said it, she used to say, ‘did you notice how the spit came out?’. But she went on to be a terrific actress and I saw her, but much much later on in London in a play. And she also did films, The Killing of Sister George and she had a wonderful career.

KD: Yeah, she was in the film of Entertaining Mr Sloane, wasn’t she? She was Kath?

EE: Oh was she? Oh right. And another headliner was Terrry Thomas. I think he was someone who, during the war had performed with ENSA, he was in the army and these people, they had these talents. And he was very good at doing these impersonations, and he had these music hall act in which he was a DJ who lost all his records and he ended up having to impersonate requests, things people had requested. And he went on to be very big in films, Terry Thomas. And then you got the London touring shows, but not necessarily, not really, with the cast that they had in London some of them were names that you didn’t know. Some of them were at the Lyceum and some of them were at the Empire, and of those I saw Annie Get Your Gun, Oklahoma!, Carousel, Brigadoon, Gay’s the Word with Cecily Courtneidge and she was a very big star, along with her husband Jack Holbert and that was by Ivor Novello. That was sort of a bit of a different kind of show from what he did, and he also did, I also saw of his, at the Lyceum, Careless Rapture, that was one of his early ones, Dancing Years and We’ll Gather Lilacs, I’m not sure, there was certainly the song, I’m not sure if the show was called that. It was a wonderful thing, a love story going through certain periods in time, which was lovely. And another play, a straight play I saw at the Lyceum was Castles in the Air and that had Jack Buchanan in it. He was a big song and dance man pre-war but often they do turn to just straight acting. Because I liked him, you see you heard a lot of people on the radio you see, and if they came, you could go and see them. Another comical one was She Wanted A Cream Front Door, and that had been done…
KD: She wanted?

EE: Yes, it was all about keeping about with the Joneses. And that had been in London. There used to be the Aldywch farces I believe and I think it came from the people who did the Aldwych farces.

KD: So it was a comedy?

EE: Yes,

KD: And was it farce?

EE: Well, it was funny yes. And my parent saw, in London, the original Kiss Me Kate, with Patricia Morrison, [she] was Kate. She was known for the films, very very long hair, and I can’t remember who the man was. They saw that, and I had told them to go and see it. They were going to London for the first time.

KD: For the first time ever?

EE: Yes

KD: And this was in 1945?

EE: No, that would be more 50s. I said, I always said, ‘you must go to the theatre’, and we used to laugh, and I used to say to them if they said to me, Mother used to say, about staying out late or whatever, I would say, ‘Oh but you know Mother I’m always true to you in my fashion’ and that was a song from Kiss Me Kate. And when they got to London, they went to the theatre and they saw that up on the board, on the pictures outside. And because I’d said that they went to see it. Absolutely loved it.
And then there was also the Sheffield Rep, which was the forerunner of our Crucible. KD: And they were at the Playhouse?

EE: Yes, that was in Townhead St and they had a permanent company which changed as people did move on. The most memorable thing I saw was there, which was a great favourite of mine always, was Private Lives, Noel Coward.

KD: And who was in that?

EE: Paul Eddington was Elyot and I can’t remember who was Amanda. Of course he went on to TV fame from there. A lot of people from Sheffield Rep went onto big things.

KD: Who was in charge there?

EE: Geoffrey Ost was the producer there. The other actors there were Peter Barkworth, Helen Uttley, Rowena Cooper who came to the Crucible recently in the Studio play Birdcalls, which was written by somebody…

KD: :Lesley Glaister.

EE: Yes. And Peter Sallis who was in, still is in Last of the Summer Wine and Wallace and Grommit, and Patrick McGoohan who I used to work with

KD: Did you? At the bank?

EE: Yes he worked at the High St branch and I worked at George St we used to have to meet up each day at the local clearing house to do our cheques and he used to help me, the little junior, do my sums. And he left, he went, the story is he went to Geoffrey Ost, he wanted to act, and he said ‘I will sweep the stage if I can just come ‘and he ended up as leading man. And then when I was working in London in 1956 he was in the West End in Ring for Catty. It was a play, it was kind of like, the Carry On Series, like Carry on Nurse, and he did that and then he did Dangerman and The Prisoner and then Hollywood took him and he still appears sometimes in Columbo or things like that.

KD: It was a good breeding ground, Sheffield Rep.

EE: Well I think rep, if you talk to a lot of actors they’ll say the best training is rep. And then we always had long running pantomimes, both at the Lyceum and the Empire, and they’d start just before Christmas and they’d run as long as March.

KD: Really, why?

EE: Well they just did. And London always had a lot of pantomimes, at the Palladium and other theatres had them.

KD: All year round?

EE: No, no, they’d start in December and they’d go through to March

KD: So everyone could see it?

EE: Well, they were so popular, I mean Sheffield had two, one at the Empire..

KD: And would you have, you know nowadays they have famous people appearing?

EE: Oh yes, oh yes they had big stars, who always would appear in them. And I can remember, I would always go and see them, and I saw Cinderella at the Empire and that starred Albert Moddley who was a comedian off the radio, he was off a Lancashire, and he used to say ‘about 92’ which was his catchphrase, and he was Buttons in Cinderella.

KD: But with no accent?

EE: On no, he played it as himself, he was no actor, but he was really cute as Buttons, so that was…

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